Minutes and Discourses, 6–8 April 1843
Minutes and Discourses, , Hancock Co., IL, 6–8 Apr. 1843; in JS, Journal, 1842–1844, book 2, pp. –; handwriting of ; JS Collection, CHL.
Thursday, April 6,th 1843 The first day of the Jubilee, of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints. a special Conference assembled of on the platform of the . or <rough> floor of the basement, at 10. o clock A.M.— the sun shone clearly. & was very warm & pleasant. scarce a speeck of snow was <is> to be seen <except on the north side of Zarahemla Hill. is considerable> but the ice was about 2 feet deep in the west of the & north of that point; & south <of that> the channel is clear of ice,— the walls of the are from 4. to 12 feet above the floor. of the conference.—
President Joseph was detained by a court between in an action between [p. ] . vs. sister & Bro Dixon (from ) in . & President . took had charge of the meeting. & during the absence of President Joseph.— Quorum of the Twelve present. . — — . . . ½ past 11. o clock—
Present. Prayed, after a hymn was sung by the quire [choir]. & read the 3d. chap. of 2d Epis[t]le of Peter. & preached on the subject of the resurrection—
10 <mi[nutes]> before 11. <12> President Joseph Smith & and arrived.— the floor was about ¾ covered. with listeners— [p. ] 12 o clock— gave way & Joseph. rose to state the object of the meeting. It is my object to ascertain the stanig [standing] of the . (as I have been instructed) I present myself for trial, I shall next present my councillors for trial.— 3d to take into consideration the sending out of the <or some porti[o]n of them> or some body else to get means to build the up — &
4— Elders will have the privelige of appeals from the differce conferences to this if there are any such cases.— It is important that this conference [p. ] give importance to the . as a prejudice exists against the in favor of the Lords House——
There is no place where men of wealth & character & influence can go to repose thimselves. and it is neccessary we should have such a place.
Are you satisfied with the first presedincy, so far as I am concerned, or will you choose another? If I have done any thing to injure my character in the sight of men & angels— or men & women. come forward tell of it. & if not ever after hold your peace. [p. ]
President arose & nominatd Joseph Smith to contin[u]e as our the Presdent. <of the church> 2dd it.— Voted unanimously— Such a show of hands was never seen before in the church.— Joseph retur[ne]d his thanks—— to the assembly. & said he would serve them according to the best of his ability.
<next president Joseph> Brought forward for trial. nominated . to continue. 2d by . spoke, <the> last conferce [conference] I have had previlige of attenedd [attending] was at the Laying of the corner Stone of . & I have had no health,— and been connected with circumstances [p. ] the most forbidding. which doubtless has producd some feeling—— I have never had a doubt of the work . . . my feelings concerning were always the same, & told my family to guard that fellow. for some time he will make a rupture among this people.— had so little confidence. I always felt myself at his difiance.— I was once theatend [threatened] by , <if I would not coincide with his words.> I have just such a threatnig [threatening] letter from. . that if I did not turn my course. I should feel the force of his power.— there is an increase <of my> of hea[l]th & strength. & I desire to serve you in any way it is possible for me to do. If any one has any feelings I hope they will express them.— [p. ]
asked concrning s. stating that was a gentleman & had nothing again[s]t him. <Some time since.> recollects nothing or little about the conversations.— thinks Mistaken s knows he was not.—
. <said,> never offerd any abuse to my family.— <& at> at that time he I had never been familiar with him.— [:] I have no private pique agai[n]st .—
voted, (in general) <almost unanimous> that retaind his standing.—
<Joseph presentd for trial.> Moved by. . 2d By that . & voted that — retain his standing.—
Voted unanimously that retain his offices as Patriarch. &c.— [p. ]
said the Lord bless the people.
& said so too.—
<Joseph said I do not know any thing agai[n]st the twelve, if I did I would presnt them for trial.>
It is not right that all the burden of the should rest on a few individuals—
and <we> will now consider the prepriety of sending the twelve to collect means for the .—
there has been too great latitude in individuals for the building of the to the exclusion of the .
It. has been reportd that the—— twelve have wages $2.00 per day for their services <I never heard— this till recently. & I do not believe I have never known their having any thing> I go in for binding up the twelve, &
Let this confirence institute an order to this end [p. ] <&> let no man pay money or stock into the hands of the twelves except the payee payer transmit the account immediately to the Trustee’s in trust. & no man else. <but the twelve> have authority to act as agents for the & .——
I will mention one case— he is a good man. that’s man’s name is Russel [Samuel M. Russell]. he had been East on bussines[s] for his brothe[r]. & took money belonging to the . & put it in the bag with his brothers money. 2 or three days after <his return> he called on his brother, for the money. but his brother thought he had paid out too much money— & he would keep the [p. ] chu[r]ch money.— <to make good his own> I called to see Russel [Daniel Russell] about the money. and he treated me so politely I concluded he never meant to pay— Bro Russel [Samuel Russell]. said, <that> his brother said he should not be out of money again.— There was $20. of the chu[r]ch money, & some dried apple for the Prest.
I propose that your you send moneys for the by the twelve some or all; or some agent of your choosing & if you send by others & the money is lost, tis lost to yourselves. I cannot be responsible for it.
It is wrong for the church to make a bridge of my nose in appropriati[n]g chu[r]ch funds.—— The incorporation requ[ire]d of me securietis [securities].— which were lodged in the proper hands— [p. ]
committee have are bound to me in <the sum> $2,000— & the chu[r]ch is running to them <with funds> every day— & I am not responsible for it.
so long as you consider me worthy to hold this office. it is your duty to attend to the legal forms belonging— to the business.— My desire is, <that> the conference minutes go forth, to inform all bra[n]ches of the order of doing business. & the twelve be appointd to this spicial mission of collecting funds for the .—
when I went to the white House at . <&> presented Letters from . . said <. > whos ?— I erred in spirit,— & <I> confess my mistake, in being angry with [p. ] for saying is nobody.— let it be recorded on earth and in heaven that I am clear of this sin.—
There has been complaints again[s]t the Committee.— for appropriati[n]g the chu[r]ch funds to the benefit of their own children. to the neglect of others who need assistanc[e] more than they do.—
I have <the> complaint, by . called. Says I have to say to the confernce. I am not so fully prepreded [prepared] to present substantiate the proof as I could wish—
I am able to prove that partiality used to a great extent. [p. ] I am able to prove by the books that & have used property for their own families— to the exclusion of others.—— <Joseph said> Let the. trial of the Committee be deferrd to another day— <then let> the Lion & unicorn— come together— day after tomorrow. can have the privelige of bringing his books. to the trial.—
Voted that the Moved and Seconded & voted that the twelve be appointed a committe[e] to receive & gather funds to build the . [blank] with this proviso, that the twelve and give bonds to for good delivery. to trustee in trustee.— & payee payer make immediate report to the trustee in trust.— Bro proposd that the twelve give duplicate receipt’s. [p. ]
. remarked he should never give reciepts for cash. <except such as he put in his own pocket for his own use.> but wished this speculation to stop.— & asked when if any one knew any thing against any one of the twelve, any dishonesty. I know of one who is not.—
Joseph <And referred to muzzling the ox that treadetheth out the corn.—>
Joseph Said, I will answer ,— let the twelve spend the time belonging to the temple for to collect funds— and the remainder of the time they may labor for their support.—
The idea of not muzzling the ox that treadeth out the corn— is a good old quaker song.— I have never taken the first farthing of church funds for my [p. ] own use. till I have first consulted the proper author[i]ties.— & when there was no quorum of the twelve or high priests I have asked the Committee who had not no business with it.— said it was so.— Let this conference stop all agents in collecting funds, except the twelve.——
1½— P.M. hym by Quoir.— 12— 2 P.M dismissed by prayer — for 1. <hour>
3½ Hyrum commenced by observing that he had some communication. to make before Joseph came, & would read from the wasp. last number.— a man who formerly belonged to the Church. reveald to me there are a band of men & some [p. ] strong in the faith of the Doctrine of Latter Day Saints. & some who do not belong to the chu[r]ch, <were bound to by secret oaths &c> that it is right to steal from any one who does not belong to the church if they gave ¼ part to the . if they did not remain stedfast— they ripped open th[e]ir bowels & gave them to the cat fish.— & they are the very gadianton robbers of the last days.— then <read> his own affidavit. as reprinted in the “Wasp,” dated 26. Nov 1841 <& the> doings of the conference at . & proclamation <or declarati[o]n of> of the twelve <&> affidavit of Joseph.— These This <t> said the theif or <theives> <have been compared to> confessor refers to the little foxes— the presidency &c are the great foxes— & they told. <us <me> this was the interpretation given. the preaching from the <stand.—> by the theives>
David Holman. James Dunn. confessed [p. ] <to me when they lived in my house that> they had stolen from the world, I told him to get out of my house. the Dunn <David Holman> lifted his hand to heaven & swore if I would forgive him he would never do so again. he went to . & stole & run away to , f[o]und a barrel of flour on the bank. just deliverd from a steam boat. stole the flour went to & sold it. saying he had pickd up the barrel in the <river> & as it was likely a little damaged he would take $2.00. got his pay & went his way.
made made many observations. to the Saints. on stealing.—
Joseph followed. I want the Elders to make hono[ra]ble proclamati[o]n abroad [p. ] what the feelings of the presidency are,— I despise a theif above ground. He would betray me <if he could get the oppetinity [opportunity]> if I were the biggest rogue in the world, he would steal my horse when I wanted to run away. <then> read prloclamatin [proclamation] of the Mayor on stealing. dated 25. day March 1843.— “Wasp.” No. 48[th]— many observati[o]n confirmatory & said, enough Said. for this conference on this Subject.—
Elders had have a privilige to appeal from any decision of a branch. to know if they shall retain their office or membership—
necessary I explain concerni[n]g it is known that the has granted a writ. for me. on affidav[i]t [p. ] of .— he still holds that writ as a cudgel over my head. (U. S. Atttorney told me all writs issued thus were legally dead.)— I said that is a stumper & I will shew them a trick the Devil never did. <that is> leave them. every man who wishes to out economically. with regard to futurity.— let them come over here as soon as they can settle their affairs without sacrifice let them come & we will protect them & let that governme[n]t know that we don’t like to be imposed upon.—
about the first of August 1842 came to my house. put on a long face. said he was in distress. about to loose $1400 for <a debt of> 300 at sheriffs [p. ] sale. <said he the> sale takes place to-morrow.— I have money in . . .— next morning he called. I did not like the looks of him. <but thought I> he is a stranger. I have been a stranger, &. better loose 200 than be guilty of sin of ingratitude. took his note. on demand. <the> day I was taken I asked him from [for?] the money.— you ought to have it <said he but> I have not got my mony from .— I have a curious plan in my mind. I will give you a deed of the land you bought of & <your notes to> s notes which I have as his agent” I, said Joseph, have not asked you for your property. & would not give a snap. <for it.>— but I will accept your offer. but want my money— <Said he I will give you deed.> ½ my land in the) [p. ] state.) <&> he gave me deeds. & I got them recorded.— he calld for some more favors. & I let him have some cloths— <to the amount of> 6 or 7 hundrd dollars. I have offerd this land to many, who if they would go to settle there but nobody will go.— <I agre[e]d> if I found he owned as much as he pretended I would give my influence to build up . . <is his name he has got almost> most $1100 <from me,> he looks exactly like a woodchuck, & talks like a woodchuck on a stump with a chaw of tobacco. <in his mouth.> he tried to git his hands to steal a stove from near my stove & carry it off on the boat raft, he is a thief.— My advice is, [p. ] if they choose, <to> come away from . and not go there more. I am not so much of a christian as many suppose I am. when a man undertakes to ride me. I am apt to thud <kick> him off & ride him.—
I would’nt b[u]y property in the . I considerd it stooping to accept it a <as a> gift.—
<I wish to speak of the>—— ½ breed lands opposite this. city. ½ breed land.— ½ breed land.— and every man there who is not ½ breed had better come away. & in a little time we will call them all ½ breed.— I wish we could swap some of our ½ breeds here for <the ½ breeds who> lives there. I will give you a key, if any <one> will growls tomorrow you will know him to be a ½ breed.— [p. ] My opinion is the Legislature have done well in giving the best tittle to settlers. & squatter.— Those who have deeds to those islands from the of Iowa. have as good titles as any, but the settlers under <the> Laws of . Legislature & chancery of . <are> at variance.
I believe it a fine of swindli[n]g from by. court of Chancery.—
said those Islands dont belong to any body, <they were> throon [thrown] out of survey.— hence no man had a claim, <& it was> so considerd; when I came here.—
my advice to the Mormons, who have deed & possessions, <is> fight it out. you who have no deeds or possessi[o]ns, let them [p. ] alone.— touch not a stick of their timber.—
Deeds given by court of . warrents & defends again[s]t all unlawful claims.— It is a ½ breed, it an anomaly, without form & void, a nondescript. if they have your note. let them come here & sue you then you can carry up your case to the highest court.— so long as the Laws have a shadow of tittle, it is not right for the Mormons to go & carry away the wood In the name of the Lord God, I forbid any man from using any observati[o]ns of mine, to rob— the land of wood.——
has had been tried & had fellowship withdrawn <by the chu[r]ch> at . [Iowa Territory] [p. ]
<The question has been asked>
can a member not belonging to the chu[r]ch bring a member before the high council, for trial? I answer No! I ask no jurisdiction. <in religious matters> I merely give my opinion when asked. If there was any feelings at because I gave my opniones [opinions], there is no occasion for it. I only advice the breth[r]en to come from , & they may do as they please. <about coming.> If I had not actually got into this work, & been called of God, I would back out . . . but I cannot back out,— I have no doubt of the truth. were I going to prophecy. I would procpesy [prophesy] the end will not come in 1844. or 5— or 6. or 40 years more [p. ] there are those of the rising generation who shall not taste death till christ come.
<I was once praying earnestly upon this subject. and a voice said unto me.> My son, if thou livest till thou art 85 years of age, thou shalt see the face of the son of man. . . . <I was left to draw my own conclusions concerni[n]g this &,> I took the liberty to conclude that if I did live till that time Jesus <he> would make his appearance.— <but I do not say whether he will make his appeara[n]ce, or I shall go where he is.—>
I prophecy in the name of the Lord God.— & let it be written. <that the> Son of Man will not come in the heavns till I am 85. years old
48 years hence or about 1890.—
<then Red> 14 Rev— 6 verse another angel [p. ] fly in the midst of heaven; for the hour of his Judgmnt is come.— to exterminati[o]n— from the commenceme[n]t. commence when angel commences preachi[n]g this. gospel <1 day— 1000 years—>. 1000 year as 1 day.— 41. yrs 8 months.— only 6 years from the voice, saying, if thou live till thou art 85,— <years old &c>
Hosea 6th chapter after 2 days &c, 2520 years which— bri[n]gs it to 1890.— says 45 years according <to>— bible recokoning.
the coming of the Son of man never will be, never can be till the judgm[en]ts spoken of for this <hour> are poured out, <which Jud[g]ments are commenced.—>
Paul says ye are th[e] children of the light & not of the darkness, that that day [p. ] should not overtake us as a theif in the night.— it is not the design of the Almighty to come upon the Earth & crush it, & grind it to powder.— he will reveal it to his servants the prophets. <O what wondrous wise men there are going about & braying like> (other[s] talk like an ass. cry
<O, lord, where—> Joe Smith.— Joe Smith.— &c <whare—> <O.> away up on the top of the top less throne aha. <&c—>
— <must be> rebuilt. <Judah return. must return> & the timple— water come out from under the temple— the <waters of the> dead sea be heald.— <it will take> some time to build the walls & the temple. &c & all <this must be done before—>
Son of Man <will make his appence [appearance]>. wars & rumours of wars. signs in the heavens above on the earth beneath— sun turnd into [p. ] darkness. moon to blood. earthquakes in divers places, oceans heaving beyond their bounds.— <then> one grand sign of the Son of the son of man in heaven.— but what will the world. do? they will say it is a planet. a comet. &c— conseq[u]ently the son of man will come as the sign of coming of the son of man. <is> as the light of the morni[n]g cometh out of the East.— 10. minutes before 6[th]— Singing. praye[r] by. adjurnd [adjourned] to 10 A.M. tomorrow. requstd [requested] prayer for her health [p. ]
Friday April 7[th] 1843— assembled at 10. according to adjourn[m]ent
. presentd the requ[e]st of Sister Van Hymon— Milane Webb.— Sister Dodds—— <for> th[e] prayers of the Conference. Singing by Quoir.— President <Joseph> rather hoarse from Speaking so long yesterday. said he would use the boys lungs to day.—
prayer by — appeals from the Elders were then called for. Elder. [Pelatiah] Brown arose. said calld for his licence but he did not give it. Set down Said the president. . . . prisiding; . was voted should go to and preside there.
also Joshua. Grant. Go to to preside. . . . [p. ]
voted that Peletiah Brown go to the village of . in the State of N. york. & build up a church. . . .
Bro Brown— signified his willingness to go any where the conferenc[e] shall direct.
Singing by Quoir.—
Templee committee were called up for trial. at 11. o’clock. < said.> some may expect I am going to be a means of a downfall. of the committee. tis not so. but I design to shew they have been partial.
has over run the amount allowed by trustees about ¼.— pretty much all elder Higby’s son has receivd in money & store pay.— Higbys son has had nothing deducted [p. ] for his tenth.
has paid all his tenth
the others of s sons have had nothing to their credit in tenth.
the committee have had a great amou[n]t of store pay.—
one man who is laboring continually wanted 25 cts. in store when his family were sick.— said he could not have it.
was never appointed a boss— over the cutting shop.— but was requsted to keep an amou[n]t of labor in the shop.— during the last 6 months very little has been brought into to the committee. [p. ]
there are certain individuals in who are watching every man who has any thing to give the .— to get it from him— & pay for the same in his labor.—
— said he did not know of any wrong. if any one would shew it he would make it right.— voted. Clear, unanimisly
. said this is not an unexpectd matter at all. to be called up. I do not want you to think I am perfect
some how or other. since has went up into the pine country. I have from some cause been placed very peculiar circumstances, . . . <I think I never> was placed in so tight a screw since I was born. been screwed to the back bone.— [p. ]
The Marshall brought up a man for disorderly. conduct. Mayor fined him $5,00 or go out of the crouwd.— The
The better people have been known my proceedings. the better they have liked them.—
when. President Smith had goods last summer we had better property. goods would not bye corn without some cash.— instead of horses &c, we took store pay.— I have dealt out meal & flour to the hands to the last ounce when I had not a morsel of bread meal or flour in my house; if the Trustee. . or the twelve or <all> any will examine & see if I have too much it shall go freely.— [p. ] I call upon all the brethren if they have any thing. to bring it forward & have it adjusted.
. Said he felt it his duty to defend the committe[e] so far as he could. he wo[u]ld as soon go to hell as be a committee. . . . but to make a comparison for the temple committee. a little boy came in & said he saw an elephant on a tree. & the people did not beleive it. & they looked and it was only an owl.—
said when was gone. keept the books, & we have found as many mistakes again[s]t , as & in his favor . . . . voted unanimously clear in his favor—— [p. ]
— said he <I> was am not afraid or ashamed to appear before you.—
when I keept the books. I had much other business— & made some mistakes.— my house was built out of a lot I bot of &c &c & not much of it from the .— voted in favor of .— unanimously.—
President Joseph. statd that the business of the confernce had closed. & the rem[ai]nder of the confernce would be devoted to instruction—— it is an insult to the meeting to have people run out of meeting <Just> before we close. if they must go let them go ½ an hour before. No Gentleman will go out of meeting Just at close. [p. ]
Singing by Choir, 12½— adjond [adjourned] till 2 o clock.— prayer— by .— [15 lines blank] [p. ]
2½ <25 mi—s mi[nute]s> P.M. Singing, & prayer by opened the confernce— Elder . read 7 chapter Daniel. from 9[th] verse.— &c,
The 2d advent of the Son of God is a subject which occupies the attention of the people. of this day. the Latter day Saints belive he will come at least 1000 years before the final consummation.— Millerit[e]s belive he will make his 2d advent in a few months, but they will find themselves mistaken. . . .
mistaken as they are good will coome out of the investigation. it will arouse the attention of multitudes to an the faccts as they exist or will open the minds of the people to the truth when it shall be proclaimed by the elders of Israel. . . . They belive that the stone is not to strike the image on [p. ] his feet till the 2d advent. & a kingdom will come direct from heaven.— we belive god will not destroy the kingdoms of the earth till. he has set <up> his own kingdom.
Do Millerites look for more revalation? No! they raise the midnight cry but does not tell the people what to do. Latter D[ay] S[aints] <are the> most reasonable.— & the most inteleget [intelligent] of any people on the face of the whole earth.— I have tried <them> 13 years.— <I had as> lives worship a horrs [horse] or a stump as a God who gives no instruction to his people.
Ancient of Days.— one came to the Ancient of Days— Many suppose this was the son. after jud[g]ment. sat son of man comes to Ancient of Days. [p. ] the most Ancient man of God that lived in days. else he could not have been the Ancient of Days. Father Adam is to come, and organize a great Council to prepare for the coming of the 2d advent— Jesus comes to the Ancient of Days
<we beleive in. . . .> Miracls. & they do not.— Angels— <will come <a[nd]> the> heavens <will be> opened send fo[r]th Angels.— to prepare the earth for Christs 2d Coming
one man thinks he is authorizd to call on men to repent. &c— I defy any one to scan the errors of any genraations. without revelations.
Resurrection. . . . <of the body is denyed> by many because it is contrary to the law<s> of nature. because. flesh & bones are constantly changing— completely oncee in 7 or 10 years. . . . if this is [p. ] true a man in 70 years would have matter enough for 10 diffint [different] bodies. objectors says this resurrection cannot be true. for if so. men would be quarreling which body belong[s] to himself & othe[r]s.—
who shall have the best right to it. I do not beleive that more than ¾ of our bodies is composed of animal organizati[o]n. but is purely vegetable, hence through all the 70 years a man will have one or two parts. which will be the same original.— if he receives the matter if of the is <was> in possession of 50 years before he died— he is has the same bady [body].—
the people liviing in <a> the house. are the occupants of the house. & the house [p. ] though repaired all though [through?] its diff[er]ent parts & from time to time even to new timbers throughout, yet. it is said to be the same house still—
while the choir was singing— Prest. Joseph remarked. to this day is a Millinium. it as is a millenium within these walls there is nothing but peace <nothing to be seen from the stand, but the heads & bodies of the congregation, as they stood on the walls. & covered the walls & the floor it was one mass. of Saints or people. to speak was literally speaking to the people. for there was nothing else to be seen,>
25 past 3. Elder .
said he had no doubt but that many who were baptizd by John enjoyd much of the religion of Jesus.— but when he came. there was more light.— and unless they followd it. the light that they had received became darkness. If the sects have any power it is only such as they have usurped from the Pope [p. ] no man has authority except he be sent.— while bewildering clouds spread their glooming wings over our horizons & the Almighty sits in the heavens laughi[n]g at our ignorance, <the> Midnight cry. <is raisd &> what shall I cry? all tables are b[e]come unclean.— what shall I cry? they have changed, tragessd [transgressed] <the laws. changed ordinances> broken the everlasting covenant?— what,— How shall retain my darling religion.— again[s]t this “new light” or mormonism.— I have about as much religion as others, but I have not got so much but what I Might recivee a little more, & when I pray for more light & God bestows it. I will not say as the poor Negro.— [p. ]
Negro who prayed behind the stone wall if what he said was not true. he hoped the stone wall would fall on him. <when> some one pushed a stone on his head. & poor negro cried out I did not mean what I said—
so with sectarians. about Rev[elations] & healings.
said had had a conversation with a Reverend presbytiran. who asked me what I. beleived I told him. we beleivd the gospel as preachd by the ancints apostles. & to leave the fi[r]st principles & go on to perfection. o said the priest Revd Presbyter[ia]n. that means leaving their dead works.— but said I how can I leave the fi[r]st principls before I embrace them? O said <he> these are some of the mysteries of the kingdom. we know but little about them tis no more use to argue with you than a stump [p. ]
unfurl the golden banner.—
we will stay in Sodom till— we are burned. we will stay in Jerusalem till the Romans come & burn the temple of the Great God. for if we escape the calamities it will prove we are not true.—
<(the ice started down stream.— of considerable dimensions— west of the stand or temple. up nearly opposite the old Post office building.)> [p. ]
¼ [to] 5. <P.> Joseph said to complete the subject of s. I thought it a glorious subject with one additional idea <addition>
their is no fundamental principle belonging to a human System that never goes into another— <in this world. or the world to come.—> the principle of was correct. I care not what the theories of men <man> are—
we have the testimony that God will raise us up & he has power to do it.— If any one supposes— that any part of our bodies. that is the fundame[n]tal parts thereof, ever goes into another body the is mistaken.— 5— Choir sung.— & <Notice that Bro Joseph. will preach tomorow morni[n]g at 10——> prayer. by. <>. [p. ]
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Prayer by —
1st that all who have faith will pray Lord to calm the wind. for as it is now. I can not speak.
2 that the Lord will strength<en> my Lungs—
3d that I may have the Holy Ghost.
The subject whicch I shall sp[e]ak from <is> the, beasts spoken of by John.— I have seldom spoken from <the revelati[o]ns> & I do it now to do away division & not that the knowledge is so much needed.—
knowledge is necessary to prevent division although it may puff up it does away suspince [suspense]——
in knowledge is power, hence [p. ] God knows how to subject all beings he has power— over all.
should not have called up this subject if it had not been for this old white head before. Father [Pelatiah] Brown.—— I did not like the old man being called up. <before the High council.>— for erring in doctrine.—— why I feel so good to have the privelige of thinki[n]g & believing as I please.
they undertook to correct him there Whether they did or not I dont care
Rev— 5 chap. 8 verse.—
Father Brown had been to work & confounded all christendom, that these were figure John saw in heavn to represent the different kingdoms of God on earth. [p. ] he put down sectarianism, & so far so good.—— but I could not help laughing that God should take a figure of a beast to repr[e]sent his kingdom consisting of <Men>. . . . To take a lesser figure to represnt a gr[e]ater, old white head you missed it that time. By figure of Beasts God represented the kingdoms of the world.— Bear. Lion &c represe[n]ted the kingdoms. of the world, Says Daniel. <for>
I refer to the prophets, to qualify my observations. to keep out of the wasp nests or young elders,
The things John say saw had no allusion to the day of Adam Enoch Abraham or Jesus— only as clearly specified & set forth to John. I saw that that which [p. ] was lying in futurity. Rev 1.1.— read <is> key to the whole subject
4. beasts. & 24 Elders which was out of every nation— <it is> great stuffing, to stuff all nations into 4 beasts & 24 Elders things which <he> saw had no allusions to what had been.— but what must shortly come to pass.— Rev is one of the plain[e]st. books god ever caused to be written—
what John saw he saw in heaven— <that which the> the prophet Saw, in vision, <was> on earth, <and> in Hebrew, <it> is a Latitude & Longitude compar[e]d with English version
they saw figurs of beasts.— they why, Dani[e]l did not say <see> a lion & a bear. he saw an image like unto a bear:— in every [p. ] place.— John saw. the actual beast itself. <it was> to let John know that beasts existed there & not to represent figurs of things on the Earth.—— <The> prophets always had interpretati[o]ns of the[i]r visions &c
God always holds himself respons[i]ble to give revelati[o]ns of his visions & <if> he does it not. we are not responsible.—
speculators need not fear they shall be condemnd. if God has given no Rev[elation]
How do you prove John saw visions Beasts in heaven? 5 <C[hapter]> 11 <v—> Revelation.— 13 verse every creature. which was in heaven and on the Earth
I John saw all beasts &c in heaven. for I expect he saw the beasts of <a> 1000 forms <from> 10,000 worlds like this.— the grand secret was to tell what [p. ] was in heaven.— God will gratify himself with all these animals. . . .
says one I cannot beleive in salvati[o]n of bea[s]ts.— I suppose God could underst[a]nd the beasts &c, in certain worlds— the 4 beasts, were angels there. dont know where they came from; <they were inteligent> inteligent.—
<but my> Darling religion, says, <they> meant something beside beast.— then the 24 elders must mean something else:— 4 beasts meant Buonpart [Bonaparte] & Cyrus. &c— then the 24 elders ment the kingdoms of the Beasts.— It is all as flat as a pancake
what do <you> use such flat & vulger <expressions. for> being a prophet? because the old women understa[n]d it, they make [p. ] pancakes.— the whole argument is flat, & I dont know of any thing bette[r] to repr[e]sent.— the argument.—
there is no revelation any where to shew that the beasts meant any thing but beasts
O ye Elders of Israel hearken to my voice & when ye are sent into the world to preach. tell those things you are sent to tell. declare the first principles, & let mysteries alone lest you be overthrown.—
Father Brown when you go to say nothi[n]g about the 4 B[e]asts Danl. 12 13 . . . <C.> 2. verse— <some say> Deadly wound.— <means> Nebuchadnezzar.— Constantine.— & the catholic [p. ] now for the wasp nest.— priests. & Dragon for Devil they have translated beast in heaven— it was not to rep[res]ent beast on heaven— it was an angel in heaven. who has power in the last days to do a work.—— all the world wonderd after the beast:— <&> if the beast was all the world. how could the world wonderd after the beast? When the old devil shall give power to to the beast to do all his mighty work all the wo[r]ld will wonder—
who is able to make war with the beast? says the inhabita[n]ts of the earth.— if it means the kin[g]doms of the world it dont mean the kingdoms [p. ] of the Saints.— who is able to make war with my gr[e]at big self.— The Dragon.— we may interpret it.— & it is sometimes Apolyel.— 9 verse 12 chap— key word.— independent beasts. abstract from the human family.— (25 minutes past 11. lungs faild— the wind blew briskly.)— I said more than I <ever> did before except once at Ramus. & then the little <upstarts <fellows> stufferd me like a cock>. cock turkey— <with the prop[h]ecies of Daniels—> and crammed it down my throat. with their fingerss—
after singing[,] 27— to 12 commenced. saying I did not know but I might say someth[i]ng but since the prophet has got [p. ] through I find there is nothing left but the tail.— says— if you write it down we are all fools it will not be <very> far from the mark”—— No man in the church knows any thing but what He has been told.—
he had never said much about Bea[s]ts &c in his preaching & when he had, he had done it to attract attention & keep the people from running after a greater fool than himself.
Daniel saw an image of Gold &c Iron. Clay &c.— the prop[h]et explained. thou Nebuchadnezzar— art the kindom head— &c
12. ten minutes choir sung. prayed— adjond [adjourned] till 2 o clock.— [p. ]
<12.— o clock noon—> Strong west wind. & the ice is floating down the . (to Seen from the stand.)
2.26 minutes. meeting open by singing the wind was so high from the N. West that the speaker changed his position from the stand on the East end of the walls to a temporary (& momentary) stand near the west end,— the day was is warm (& pleasant. except strong wind)
Prayr by .— Singing.—
<12 <mi[nutes]>— 3—> — resumed th[e] subject where he adjour[ne]d in the forenoon Little horn was the Pope some say— Pope of Rome prevaild against the saints or chu[r]ch—— whence the Chu[r]ch of England [p. ] Presbyterin. Methodist &c— put the chu[r]ch of Rome in the place of the Devil & then When they find out the old Lady is their mother, they dont like the relationship
mentiond the 10 kingdoms or the toes.
while in the days of these kings or some of them. the God of heaven should set up a kingdom which which should never end. I am not going to say
with regard to the littl stone, when when this kingdom will be set up. but it will be a kingdom. & the saints will take & possess it. & it will be a kingdom on earth not in heaven.— not Methodist. not Presbyt[er]ian or babtist I was going to say the church of Rome comes the [p. ] nearest. to a kingdom. of any of them. Not. Millerites. they expect. thee coming of christ is like lightning. whereas the kingdom is like a little stone cut out of the mountain without hands— 3:20— Singing Choir.—
Elder said it was 3 years since I met with you & was set apart to a foreign mission by you.—
Mat. 24 chapter. in part read. conce[r]ning the temple— Jesus acted very unchristian like. & uncharitable. and meddld with other peoples property. took a scourge of small cords & drove them out of the temple. the german bible says there shall not be one stone left upon another that shall not be broken.— [p. ]
Compard the Gifts in the church to the gifts <golden> in the chu[r]ches vessels of the which Nebuchadnazzar or some other nezzar took away.— where are they? in. Babylon. wrapped up in a napkin.— give me so much money & I will give you so much Gospel— say the Sectarian priests.
There is now and then one,
Like the gleaning of grapes when vintage is done
he compard the Mormons to the rough stone. which could not be made to fit any where & would be thrown away— so with the Mormons the[y] will not for fit any way or where, but Must [p. ] be cast out. by all soci[e]ties, & yet at last they will come out head of the heap— the saints shall possess the kingdom
I have been in the four quarters of the world among 14 or 15 diff[er]ent languages & people— & they all agree that some great event is coming. close at hand is coming. what has produced this impression? the true light that light that lighteth every man that cometh into the world.— it is like the press that presses the paper on to the whole type at once. & God is the press-man.
when this gospel has been prea[c]hed to all nations. the hour of his judgmnt is come.—
good bye 5— 5 singing. & prayer. [p. ]