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Conversations with Robert Matthews, 9–11 November 1835

Source Note

JS, Conversations with , [, Geauga Co., OH], 9–11 Nov. 1835. Featured version copied [ca. 11 Nov. 1835] in JS, Journal, 1835–1836, pp. 22–29; handwriting of ; JS Collection, CHL. For more complete source information, see the source note for JS, Journal, 1835–1836.

Historical Introduction

, also known as Joshua the Jewish minister or the Prophet Matthias, visited , Ohio, and conversed with JS from 9 to 11 November 1835. In the early 1820s, Matthews proclaimed himself an Israelite, temporarily identified himself with the Zionist movement of Manuel Mordecai Noah, and came to reject Christianity. In , New York, in 1830 and in , New York, in 1831, Matthews launched his career as a religious figure, calling himself the Prophet Matthias, and sought to win over recent converts of Charles G. Finney’s revivals. In 1832, Matthews gained a small following and converted Elijah Pierson, a man of wealth who in February 1830 had organized an independent Christian perfectionist church on Bowery Hill in . Pierson died from an apparent poisoning in early August 1834, and Matthews, who claimed ownership over Pierson’s property following his death, was charged with murder. Matthews was acquitted of that charge, but immediately after the acquittal he was tried and sentenced to three months in jail for beating his adult daughter and obtaining money under false pretenses; thirty days were added to his sentence for contempt of court. Suffering from internal dissension, compounded by the public spectacle and press coverage of the trials and Matthews’s four-month incarceration, his religious experiment in crumbled in 1835.
Three months after his release from jail in in August 1835, was reported to be traveling in . The 5 November issue of the Western Reserve Chronicle detailed Matthews’s travels in Ohio and noted that while in Warren, Ohio, Matthews “inquired the way to , where, perhaps, he has gone to join the ‘democratic’ community of Mormons, at .” Prior to Matthews’s arrival in Kirtland, the Painesville Telegraph also notified the Geauga County community of his presence, publishing two articles that labeled him as a deluded religious fraud.
On the morning of 9 November, , calling himself “Joshua the Jewish minister,” arrived at the home of JS in . JS did not initially recognize him as the notorious figure Matthias, and Matthews’s visit prompted him to relate the “circumstances connected with the coming forth of the book of Mormon,” including an account of his first vision of Deity. The narrative JS presented to Matthews, one of the few early written accounts of this vision, expands upon some of the details found in JS’s circa summer 1832 history, which is the earliest extant account of JS’s first vision. In his telling of the event to Matthews, JS included details such as the presence of “two personages” as well as “many angels” in the “silent grove.” The narrative also provides an account of the visit he received in 1823 from an “Angel,” later identified as Moroni, who described “a sacred record which was written on plates of gold,” and it gives the timeline for JS’s obtaining of the plates.
JS hosted for the next two days and invited him to expound on his religious views, but he ultimately denounced his visitor and told him to leave. Nevertheless, regional newspapers reported on the visit of Matthews and JS and claimed that the two were joining forces. The Daily Cleveland Herald stated, “The impostor who lately figured so conspicuously in the city of , has turned Mormon; and, as we learn from the Chardon Spectator, is now at in that county, in high favor with the prophet Joe Smith.” The Ohio Repository, published in Canton, noted that “eastern papers state this impostor has taken up his abode among the Mormons, on the borders of the Lake, in this —and that both himself and his doctrines are received with great favor by them.” More aligned with JS’s journal account, the Painesville Telegraph reported a much less favorable interaction between JS and Matthews. In an article titled “Prophet Catch Prophet,” the Telegraph stated, “The notorious impostor Matthias has performed a pilgrimage to the temple of the equally notorious Joe Smith, where he held forth his doctrines last week. It appears that the new pretender met with less encouragement than he anticipated from the Latter-Day-ites, and after a two days conference the Prophets parted, each declaring he had miraculously discerned a devil in the other!” By the end of November 1835, the New York Herald informed its readers that “Matthias has not joined the Mormons” but added sarcastically that “if they have pretty women among them no doubt he will.” No interaction between JS and Matthews after 11 November 1835 is known, though a July 1837 report in the Baltimore Gazette and Daily Advertiser noted that Matthews was back in northeastern Ohio “to regulate the Mormonites, at , and spread his new doctrines among the benighted of the west.”
’s visit to JS was recorded in JS’s journal by . Residue from an adhesive wafer at the top of page 25 of JS’s 1835–1836 journal—as well as some paper residue still stuck to the wafer residue—indicates that a loose leaf had been attached in the journal and suggests that part of the entry for 9–11 November 1835 was probably copied into the journal from an earlier manuscript, which is no longer extant.

Footnotes

  1. [1]

    JS, Journal, 9–11 Nov. 1835.

  2. [2]

    Johnson and Wilentz, Kingdom of Matthias, 62–68, 94–95, 103–104.

    Johnson, Paul E., and Sean Wilentz. The Kingdom of Matthias. New York: Oxford University Press, 1994.

  3. [3]

    Johnson and Wilentz, Kingdom of Matthias, 32, 79–100. The idea of Christian perfectionism derived from John Wesley’s A Plain Account of Christian Perfection, which describes the journey of an individual to the state of perfection or sanctification through the purity of intention and dedication of one’s life to God. (Wesley, Plain Account, 3–5, 172.)

    Johnson, Paul E., and Sean Wilentz. The Kingdom of Matthias. New York: Oxford University Press, 1994.

    Wesley, John. A Plain Account of Christian Perfection, as Believed and Taught by the Rev. John Wesley, from the Year 1725, to the Year 1777. New York: Lane an dScott, 1850.

  4. [4]

    Johnson and Wilentz, Kingdom of Matthias, 137–164.

    Johnson, Paul E., and Sean Wilentz. The Kingdom of Matthias. New York: Oxford University Press, 1994.

  5. [5]

    “Matthias,” Western Reserve Chronicle (Warren, OH), 5 Nov. 1835, [2]; “Matthias,” Cleveland Whig, 11 Nov. 1835, [3].

    Western Reserve Chronicle. Warren, OH. 1816–1854.

    Cleveland Whig. Cleveland. 1834–1836.

  6. [6]

    “Matthias, the Impostor,” Painesville (OH) Telegraph, 8 May 1835, [2]; 24 July 1835, [2].

    Painesville Telegraph. Painesville, OH. 1822–1986.

  7. [7]

    Substantial differences between the two versions of JS’s vision are noted in the footnotes to the text featured here; compare JS History, ca. Summer 1832, 1–6.

  8. [8]

    JS, Journal, 9–11 Nov. 1835; Historical Introduction to History, ca. Summer 1832; [JS], Editorial, Elders’ Journal, July 1838, 42–44. For JS’s other accounts of his first vision of Deity, visit from the angel, and finding of the gold plates, see JS History, vol. A-1, 1–34; and JS, “Church History,” Times and Seasons, 1 Mar. 1842, 3:706–707; see also Oliver Cowdery’s letters published in the LDS Messenger and Advocate, Oct. 1834–July 1835, copied in JS History, 1834–1836, pp. 46–50, 62–65, 81–99, in JSP, H1:40–44, 57–60, 73–86.

  9. [9]

    “The Notorious Matthias,” Daily Cleveland Herald, 17 Nov. 1835, [2], italics in original.

    Daily Cleveland Herald. Cleveland. 1835–1837.

  10. [10]

    “Mathias,” Ohio Repository (Canton), 19 Nov. 1835, [3].

    Ohio Repository. Canton. 1830–1868.

  11. [11]

    “Prophet Catch Prophet,” Painesville (OH) Telegraph, 20 Nov. 1835, 3, italics in original.

    Painesville Telegraph. Painesville, OH. 1822–1986.

  12. [12]

    “Matthias,” New York Herald, 28 Nov. 1835, [2].

    New York Herald. New York City. 1835–1924.

  13. [13]

    “Matthias, the Prophet,” Baltimore Gazette and Daily Advertiser, 17 July 1837, [2].

    Baltimore Gazette and Daily Advertiser. Baltimore. 1825–1838.

  14. [14]

    JS, Journal, 9–11 Nov. 1835.

Asterisk (*) denotes a "featured" version, which includes an introduction and annotation. *Conversations with Robert Matthews, 9–11 November 1835 Journal, 1835–1836 History, 1834–1836
it was already in the world this expression would be inconsistent, the small lights that God has given, is sufficient to lead us out of babylon, when we get out we shall have the greater light. I told that I did not understand him concerning the resurection and wishd him to be more explanitory on the subject; he replied that he did not feell impressed by the spirit to unfold it further at present, but perhaps he might at some other time.
I then withdrew to do some buisness with another gentleman that called to see me.
He [] informed my that he was born in Washington County Town of New York. he says that all the railroads canals and other improvements are performed by spirits of the resurection.
The silence spoken of by John the Revelator which is to be in heaven for the space of half an hour, is between 1830 & 1851, during which time the judgments of God will be poured out after that time there will be peace.
Curiosity to see a man that was reputed to be a jew caused many to call during the day and more particularly at evening suspicions were entertained that said was the noted of , spoken so much of in the public prints on account of the trials he underwent in that place before a court of justice, for murder manslaughter comtempt of court whip[p]ing his Daughter &c for the two last crimes he was imprisoned, and came out about 4, months [p. 28]
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Conversations with Robert Matthews, 9–11 November 1835
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Footnotes

  1. [19]

    See Revelation 8:1.

  2. [20]

    In 1830, Matthews marked the beginning of his “Kingdom,” then only an idea, by issuing a “Declaration of Judgement.” He intended to preach until 1836, after which would follow fifteen years of turmoil before the world burned. (Johnson and Wilentz, Kingdom of Matthias, 79–81, 92, 96.)

    Johnson, Paul E., and Sean Wilentz. The Kingdom of Matthias. New York: Oxford University Press, 1994.

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