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Discourse, 3 October 1841, as Reported by Willard Richards

Source Note

JS, Discourse, , Hancock Co., IL, 3 Oct. 1841; handwriting of ; five pages; Historian’s Office, General Church Minutes, CHL.
Two bifolia, each measuring 7⅞ × 5¾ inches (20 × 15 cm). The discourse is written in very faint graphite, making significant portions of the text illegible.
The discourse is part of a larger collection of general church minutes created or collected by scribes affiliated with the Church Historian’s Office. It is uncertain exactly when this discourse was included in the general church minutes. However, worked on JS’s history as early as 1842. Likely around that time, he added his records of JS’s sermons and writings to a compilation of documents about JS and the church. The featured document has likely remained in institutional custody since its creation.

Historical Introduction

On the morning of 3 October 1841, at a session of a general in , Illinois, JS gave a discourse on the doctrine of for the dead, whereby church members were baptized vicariously for their deceased relatives. attended this meeting and wrote down fragmentary notes from JS’s sermon in an apparent attempt to capture the church ’s words as he spoke. The text featured here is one of two extant versions of JS’s 3 October 1841 discourse; the other is a printed, more polished version found in the 15 October 1841 issue of the Times and Seasons. The printed version, along with additional historical context and annotation, is found in Minutes and Discourse, 1–5 October 1841.

Footnotes

  1. [1]

    For more on the October general conference, see Minutes and Discourse, 1–5 Oct. 1841; for more on the doctrine of baptism for the dead, see Minutes, 3–5 Oct. 1840.

Asterisk (*) denotes a "featured" version, which includes an introduction and annotation. *Discourse, 3 October 1841, as Reported by Willard Richards Discourse, 3 October 1841, as Published in Times and Seasons History, 1838–1856, volume C-1 [2 November 1838–31 July 1842] “History of Joseph Smith” “History of Joseph Smith”
Jesus went with his body & Spirit—
Dispensation of fulness &c— all dispensations— things before since the world.—
go to Books [illegible] Almighty god rend the vails Said Doctrine incredible— why any more incredible that God should save the Dead after the [illegible]? men never is to ad living or Dead to service the Gospel.— in or out of the world. unpardonable sin— sin this world or the world
Spirits after the dissolution of the body— God is bound to fall of that Soul.— on Earth &c— seal of for my father.— sealed in heaven.— Books opened— of I get my father name Entered. seal him though. &c— 2. Sons born alike— one dies character alike— tomorrow Gospel come.— M. Brunstons Negros Generation where did Sectarians get their Doctrine.— from heathen refuse— brayed common sense out of the world.— Mahomet, Juyomet, Toroyes Doctrines.— Old Joe— [illegible] of this thesis— Blasphemy— voice of God from heavens.— creeds of men.— why so tenacous are the mormons? old wine, mend bottles &. New Rev in old churches— old Sadness Presbytrian— into a new church— drawn ga◊◊ for charity— man gone to flames of hell [p. 2]
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Editorial Title
Discourse, 3 October 1841, as Reported by Willard Richards
ID #
2695
Total Pages
5
Print Volume Location
JSP, D8:300–302
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  • Willard Richards

Footnotes

  1. [8]

    See Matthew 16:19.

  2. [9]

    See Revelation 20:12.

  3. [10]

    This may be a reference to JS’s brother Alvin, who died before JS recorded having received knowledge about the kingdoms of glory. (See Visions, 21 Jan. 1836 [D&C 137:5].)

  4. [11]

    In a March 1838 document entitled “Motto of the Church of Christ of Latterday Saints,” JS and others similarly wrote, “Wo to tyrants, Mobs, Aristocracy, Anarchy and Toryism.” The use of Tory or Toryism in the motto referred to sympathizing with a group’s enemies and may have the same connotation here. (See Motto, ca. 16 or 17 Mar. 1838; and “Tory,” and “Toryism,” in American Dictionary.)

    An American Dictionary of the English Language; Exhibiting the Origin, Orthography, Pronunciation, and Definitions of Words. Edited by Noah Webster. New York: Harper and Brothers, 1845.

  5. [12]

    See Matthew 9:17; Mark 2:22; and Luke 5:37.

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