2 Specification. On the same sunday that they had the meeting deferred to. I heard him say That Joseph Smith had tried to hire him to shoot soon after he moved to the . That he told Gen Smith that he had not money & that Gen S told him to go to & get it. <​ Did he​> He told of it but did not say that he went to get it Did he say that he told he wanted money. or that Gen. S had hired him to shoot . I do not know— He said he could prove it. & I supposed he meant that he had told & would prove it by him

Do you know how long has been here I should think about three years but dont know. Cou

Court. Did you understand that he said he could prove it. He said he could prove it right out

<​​> Was it under any particular excitement, or was any person offering him an insult. No it was voluntary on his part. He said he could shew worse things yet

. On the sam day at the same meeting he made the same remarks that the firt witness has testified of. but said nothing as to time. All that I heard him say was that Gen S. had tried to get him to kill these are the words, as near as I can tell [p. [3]]