History, 1838–1856, volume B-1 [1 September 1834–2 November 1838]

  • Source Note
  • Historical Introduction
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should not be afflicted any more. President Joseph Smith  <September 8.> then gave made remarks upon the subject of false spirits.  <Conference Minutes  at O.> “Elder presented a case which had previous ly occasioned some difficulty in the church: which was that  brother Carpenter had been tried for a fault before the church,  and the church gave him a certain time to reflect whether he  would acknowledge or not. Brother Gordon, at the time spoke  in tongues and declared that brother Carpenter should not have  any lenity. wished instruction on this point,  whether they had proceeded right or not, as brother Carpenter was  dissatisfied. &c.
<Joseph explained  Gift of tongues.> “President Joseph Smith then gave an explanation of the gift  of tongues: that it was particularly instituted for the preaching  of the gospel to other nations and languages, but it was  not given for the government of the church. He further  said, if brother Gordon introduced the gift of tongues, as a  testimony against brother Carpenter, it was contrary to the  rules and regulations of the church, because, in all our  decisions, we must judge from actual testimony. Elder  Gordon said the testimony was had, and the decision  given before the gift of tongues was manifested. President  Smith advised that we speak in our own language, in  all such matters, and then the adversary cannot lead our  minds astray.
<’s  complaint vs.  .> “ stated that when he was presiding in a con ference, several of the brethren spake out of order, and  Elder refused to submit to order according to  his request: and he wished instruction on this point,  whether he, or some one else should preside over this  branch of the church; and also whether such conduct  could be approbated in Conferences. Elder Brother Gordon mad[e]  some remarks on the same subject. President Smith  said, relative to the first question, that brother gordon’s  tongues in the end, did operate as testimony, as, by his  remarks in tongues, the former decision was set aside,  and his taken; That it was his decision that brother Gor don’s manifestation was incorrect, and from a suspi cious heart. He approved the first decision but discarded  the second. Brother Joseph Keeler acknowledged that in  the former decision he had acted hastily himself in urging  brother Carpenter to make acknowledgement, without having  time to reflect, and asked forgiveness wherein he had erred.  Brother Gordon said he discovered that he was in an error  and was satisfied with this council, and was willing to  ask forgiveness of the brethren and of the Lord.
<Decision, on  Question. > Decision was then given on the second question that Elder   was out of his place in opposing Elder Palmer,  when he presided in the council. The two decisions were confirmed [p. 554]
should not be afflicted any more. President Joseph Smith September 8. then made remarks upon the subject of false spirits. Conference Minutes at O. “Elder presented a case which had previously occasioned some difficulty in the church: which was that brother Carpenter had been tried for a fault before the church, and the church gave him a certain time to reflect whether he would acknowledge or not. Brother Gordon, at the time spoke in tongues and declared that brother Carpenter should not have any lenity. wished instruction on this point, whether they had proceeded right or not, as brother Carpenter was dissatisfied. &c.
Joseph explained Gift of tongues. “President Joseph Smith then gave an explanation of the gift of tongues: that it was particularly instituted for the preaching of the gospel to other nations and languages, but it was not given for the government of the church. He further said, if brother Gordon introduced the gift of tongues, as a testimony against brother Carpenter, it was contrary to the rules and regulations of the church, because, in all our decisions, we must judge from actual testimony. Elder Gordon said the testimony was had, and the decision given before the gift of tongues was manifested. President Smith advised that we speak in our own language, in all such matters, and then the adversary cannot lead our minds astray.
’s complaint vs. . “ stated that when he was presiding in a conference, several of the brethren spake out of order, and Elder refused to submit to order according to his request: and he wished instruction on this point, whether he, or some one else should preside over this branch of the church; and also whether such conduct could be approbated in Conferences. Brother Gordon made some remarks on the same subject. President Smith said, relative to the first question, that brother gordon’s tongues in the end, did operate as testimony, as, by his remarks in tongues, the former decision was set aside, and his taken; That it was his decision that brother Gordon’s manifestation was incorrect, and from a suspicious heart. He approved the first decision but discarded the second. Brother Joseph Keeler acknowledged that in the former decision he had acted hastily himself in urging brother Carpenter to make acknowledgement, without having time to reflect, and asked forgiveness wherein he had erred. Brother Gordon said he discovered that he was in an error and was satisfied with this council, and was willing to ask forgiveness of the brethren and of the Lord.
Decision, on Question. Decision was then given on the second question that Elder was out of his place in opposing Elder Palmer, when he presided in the council. The two decisions were confirmed [p. 554]
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